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May 12, 2008

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chester

You say, "Would him being authentically a good guy change people's minds about the invasion, the economy, and his handling of them? Conversely, would him being inauthentically a good guy change people's minds?"

I think so. I think it shouldn't, but I think it would have a huge impact on the few people who continue to support him. It's a kind of "intentionalism" gone wild (which is why it seems like antinomianism to me--I can never remember whether it has a hyphen or not); if he lied, that's okay, because he meant well. And "by meaning well" he meant to enact a kind of world that "good" men want--an ordered world in which people like them are in control, doing what is obviously right, fighting what is obviously wrong.

Eric

Absolutely, it makes perfect sense.

I wasn't trying to dodge your initial question, though I realize I answered it only obliquely near the end of my response. I agree that Bush exerts--more so five years ago than today, and more so still eight years ago--an authority, an 'expertise,' if you will, in being a 'good' guy. This kind of expertise, if we were to map it onto Walton's argument, comes closer to the power behind celebrity endorsements than any actual authority rooted in specialized knowledge, etc. Anti-nomian is a good way of putting it.

The rub, I think, is that what constitutes Bush's 'good-guy-ness' is extremely malleable, and depends mostly on the audience for its value. I use the word "being" above, but "seeming" is probably more accurate. He is the 'brushclearer,' the 'MBA president,' the 'guy you wanna drink a beer with,' etc., but since most voters have never actually had a cold beer with Bush (esp. since he's a teetotaler), the accuracy of that description, and the associated character judgments, is questionable (esp. since he's a teetotaler). But the perception of its accuracy is certainly not questionable: it's real and really puissant.

Similarly, when I said before that I wasn't sure whether to describe Rove's process of characterizing Bush as an erasure or merger of his own expertise with his boss's, I meant that I'm not sure whether or not to call Bush a 'good' guy. If he is an authentic good guy, then Rove's ethotic characterizations are amplifications of an actuality: if Bush is 'all boots, no cattle,' then Rove's rhetoric is propping up an already established, but inauthentic, perception.

My point is, how can we ever know whether or not Bush is authentically a good guy? Probably at times he is, and at times he's not, just like the rest of us. But unlike the rest of us, his authority as president has been made to depend heavily on whether or not he is a good guy. "Has been made" suggests conscious construction, at least in part, even though audiences seem immensely concerned with what's actual.

My larger point, then, is that, since we (audiences) can never really know for certain what is authentic, or even the line where authentic bleeds into inauthentic, why do we worry so much about whether or not Bush is a 'good guy?' Why do we worry about whether or not any candidate's characteristics are authentic? Would him being authentically a good guy change people's minds about the invasion, the economy, and his handling of them? Conversely, would him being inauthentically a good guy change people's minds? Would we be in a different place in our national discourse at the end of his term if we had viewed him differently and/or talked about him differently at the beginning of his term? Because I suspect that most people would shift their positive and negative opinions of the man's actions to continue dovetailing them with whatever new evidence presented itself about the man's character, what we might call the 'confirmation bias,' I'm skeptical of calling political candidates authentic, especially since we all accept the reality that candidates are largely campaign constructions by committee. Moreover, I'm skeptical of saying that their authentic self even matters. It's audience authority that gives candidates authority. At least I'd argue that the relationship is highly negotiated.

My largest point is that discussions of authentic character obscure the fact that Bush's expertise isn't really his at all, even if it's real; it's granted by audiences who accept it. If that's the case, I wonder if there's a way to resist discussing ethos as authentic character in order to discuss candidate ethos in ways more applied and practical.

Chester

That's a brilliant answer, and it answers a smarter question than I was asking. You're looking at Rove as an "authority," and why the questioner defers to him, and I think you're absolutely right. But, I was trying to ask about the "authority" Hitler/Bush which Goebbels/Rove are trying to give to them by describing them as "good" men. They (G/R) have the authority to say who H/R *really* is, but that "who" (good man) is supposed to have authority as well.

I know that Walton's book is really about "expert opinion," and I'm the one conflating expert opinion and authority, but I do think that, at least in the US, "goodness" is a kind of expertise. It's fundamentally anti-nomian, I'd argue--the sense that someone with grace 1) knows the right thing to do in every circumstance, and 2) can do no wrong because everything is done with grace.

Does that make more sense?

Eric

Walton's criteria does allow for audiences to assess good and bad arguments from authority, but he largely focuses on two poles, rhetors who are "learned," so difficult to discount, e.g., four out of five dentists say chew Trident gum, and rhetors who are not learned, but whose presence provides some other authoritative weight that may prove equally potent, e.g., celebrity endorsements. The usefulness of Walton's criteria gets fuzzier, I'd argue, when we look at someone who inhabits a grey area somewhere between being expert and being charming, and it is this area where I'd place most modern campaign consultants like Rove, et al. Rove has an expertise, to be sure, and that expertise gives him authority (or, more accurately, his expertise gave him two POTUS victories, and that gives him authority). I think the greyness stems from pinpointing exactly of what Rove is an expert. If we can't define his expertise, it is difficult to do the sort of investigatory questioning for evaluative purposes Walton advocates. How do we know what to ask?

Is Rove an expert in American political history and campaign management? Probably, but are these the avenues for engaging him pragma-dialectically if we want honestly to know what kind of president Bush will be? I think questioning him about campaign history and media markets in order to evaluate whether or not he exerts authority over voters is fruitless, because it isn't those areas of knowledge that most directly effect us. What effects us most directly has more to do with Rove's relationship with Bush than with Rove's political education. Besides, we all already know he exerts an authority, and because we know it, it is prudent not to dismiss Rove's comments discussed in my 29 April post as simple ipsedixitism, self-referential, and self-affirming, appeals to one's own authority, because, while his authority may be founded on logical fallacy, its potency is actual.

I'd argue that Rove's (current) authority stems from an expertise in George W. Bush. The slowpitch question the audience member asks Rove about what makes Bush such a good man that opponents perpetually underestimate reflects exactly the sort of consternation audiences have at asking tough and meaningful questions of people they perceive as exponentially more informed about a subject than them, especially when they tend to agree with the expert's opinions. Rove's response doesn't seem argumentative, though of course it is very much so, considering the speech about presidential greatness which precedes it, almost presciently. That it doesn't seem argumentative gets to the heart of Rove's authority, I think: Rove erases and/or merges (I'm unsure which is more accurate) his expertise, i.e., offering heuristic readings of Bush's character as necessary presidential qualifications, with his employer's authority. That is, the person who asks about Bush assumes, I suspect, that they are generating the parameters of the coming exchange, 'tell me, since you know him so well, Mr. Rove, what makes Bush such a good man?' But those parameters have already been established by Rove and treated as existing authentically outside of Rove's establishment, in the speech proper, and well before the speech in previous public presentations of Bush and 'Bushian' characteristics, not 'Rovian' machinations.

Walton's criteria, I'd argue, isn't the most helpful approach for deciding how Rove exerts authority, then, because his authority seems to stem from hiding rather than manifesting itself. Rove is most authoritative when audiences assume they are perceiving the authentic character of the candidate. If the candidate seems authoritative because of that perception of authenticity, Rove's expertise is validated, regardless of the audience's awareness of it. In other words, Rove is most authoritative when he, compared to his candidate, seems least so.

I'm sure all that ties into positivism (or not), though I'm still thinking about that. There's plenty more to say on the matter, but I think, generally speaking, the existence of Rove, et al. troubles Walton's language of good/bad arguments from authority directly evaluable by audiences, at least when we're looking at political consultants whose presence in public political discourse is largely shadowy, which I mean descriptively, not pejoratively. When we look at politicians themselves, I think it's easier to see useful applications of Walton's advice.

Chester

Isn't Walton's project to give effective criteria for assessing good and bad arguments from authority? Does it do that? (What would happen if you used Walton to look at the Rove/Goebbels' strategies for giving "authority" to Bush/Hitler?)

Before reading the Sunstein (who rocks, btw), you should look at Crosswhite's _Rhetoric of Reason_ and his attempt to use Perelman's concept of "universal audience" in order to critique arguments from a non-positivist perspective.

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